Capacitie
"No brims nor borders such as in a bowl we see my essence was Capacitie."
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Greville Street Meetings.
Our regulars come from a variety of traditions both religious and secular. Our adoption of Bohmian Dialogue is designed to overcome barriers which these existing interests or commitments might errect between us.

Dialogue

We held Dialogue meetings at our home in Sydney for the about 15 years before drawing to a close in 2009. We continue to have less regular meetings in the spirit of Bohmian dialogue but they are no longer convened specifically for the purpose of dialogue.

It is difficult to describe exactly what we mean by Dialogue but it is essentially what David Bohm proposed as a more effective means of communicating and relating to one another. For a detailed explanation I recommend the paper Dialogue a Proposal. A major aspect of Dialogue enquiry is the challenge of assumptions, both internal and external, as they arise. Consequently, it is an extremely useful method for allowing engagement of people, often with widely differing views, without our belief systems getting in the way. The Five Dimensionsof Dialogue. An analysis of why people go to Dialogue by Professor Mario Cayer identified five main reasons: conversation, participatory process, collective enquiry, creating shared meaning and collective meditation. It is perhaps the latter category which has most to do with Capacitie.

 

David Bohm (1917 - 1992).

Scan from The poetical works of Thomas Traherne.

One of the requirements for successful Dialogue is the suspension of assumptions. This ensures that space is created for other points of view and for the possibility of something quite new arising. If this suspension is carried through to fundamental beliefs about what I am and my world view, I discover an openness which I believe to be what Traherne referred to as Capacitie.The normal understanding of self/other is undermined and a commonality of interest or impersonal awareness comes about. I think this approach is what Traherne meant by 'True apprehension'.

Participation in Dialogue is an excellent way of testing such notions because, in addition to providing a test-bed, it involves engagement with alternative points of view. The NOWletter came about as an extension of the Sydney Dialogue meetings with the aim of carrying through some of the issues that came up in meetings and providing ongoing contact with people remote from Sydney and unable to meet on a regular basis. This section is included to record and provide access to notes, commentary and articles about Dialogue which have appeared in the Nowletter since its inception.

 
This Wandjina painting is included in acknowledgement of that dialogue without words, engagement with and as nature, about which the Aboriginal people of Australia seem to have a deep understanding and to which much of what appears on this website is pointing.

We included an article in NOWletter 194 on Awen, with permission of the author Joanna Van Der Hoeven. I include an extract below because I think Awen and the Dreaming are similar expressions of the same experience.

In Druidry, we learn often hear the word, awen, being used, but what exactly is awen? Loosely translated from Welsh, it means flowing spirit, or flowing inspiration. Awake to our own energy, and stretching out towards the energy of nature around us, we begin to see just what awen is. It is an opening of one’s self, of one’s spirit or soul, in order to truly and very deeply see. When we are open, we can receive that divine gift, inspiration that flows, whether it is from deity, nature, or whatever it is that you choose to focus on. For awen to exist, there must be relationship. We cannot be inspired unless we are open, and we cannot be open unless we have established a relationship, whether that is with the thunder, the blackbird or a god. It is cyclical in nature; we open and give of ourselves and in doing so we receive, and vice versa. Letting go, releasing into that flow of awen allows it to flow ever more freely, and we find ourselves inspired not only in fits and bursts of enlightenment or inspiration, but all the time, carrying that essence of connection and wonder with us at all times. There is, of course, a line to be drawn, for we can’t be off our heads in ecstatic relationship with everything all the time.

The complete article is in NOWletter 194 and more can be found at the Awen website.

May 2022.

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Dialogue Articles

Articles listed on this page are mainly contributions on the subject of Dialogue to the Nowletter and arise from local activities. For a broader picture refer to the Dialogue Links.

Dialogue - A Proposal.

The Five Dimensions of Dialogue by Prof. Mario Cayer.

On Facilitation & Purpose by Donald Factor.

An introduction to Dialogue, prepared by Terry O'Brien for the Krishnamurti Katoomba Weekend February 2001.

A history of a Sydney dialogue group, comprising letters and articles submitted by group members to the monthly Nowletter over a period of 10 years. The contributions are identified in the Nowletter Index and split into five groups as follows:

Sydney Dialogue - Extracts from Nowletters 0 - 12
Sydney Dialogue - Extracts from Nowletters 13 - 19
Sydney Dialogue - Extracts from Nowletters 20 - 30
Sydney Dialogue - Extracts from Nowletters 31 - 40
Sydney Dialogue - Extracts from Nowletters 41 - 60
Sydney Dialogue - Extracts from Nowletters 61 - 89

Insight and Transformation - Transcripts of a gathering organized by the Sydney NOW Group on the 17 and 18 October 1998 with the aim of meeting Gary Hipworth and Jo Willis and to provide an opportunity for Gary to talk with us about the transformation which he had previously summarized in articles printed in the Nowletter and which became the subject of his book Nowhere Man.

Insight and Transformation - Introduction

Insight and Transformation - Transcripts of the Two-Day Dialogue and Gathering

The Powerpoint Slide Presentation A Powerpoint presentation of the life and work of David Bohm.
Presentation Handout. A series of notes prepared as a hanout for this presentation. Both the Slide Show and Notes are accessed as downloads by clicking on their links. They will download into your computer downloads folder from which they can be opened and viewed.

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Bohm's Quantum Physics recognised at Last by Dr. Hugh Murdoch, an article in Theosophy in Australia, September 2009... there has been a revival of what is now being referred to as Bohmian Mechanics, including emphasis on reality as distinct from the unreality of the traditional approach of Bohr, emphasizing the 'Unreality' of whatever happens in a quantum experiment prior to the resulting observation. There is a feature article on 'Bohmian Mechanics' in New Scientist for 22 March, 2008. Clearly what is being discussed is Bohm's interpretation of quantum mechanics. On the cover of the issue, there is the word unreality with UN shaded almost out. A search on the internet discloses a lengthy article on Bohmian mechanics from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. This is a 2006 revision of an original article in 2001.

Selected Websites on Dialogue. This site has useful information but some of the listed links were inoperative when last checked.

Nick Consoletti. A comprehensive source of information on the the practical and theoretical aspects of dialogue.

The TAT Foundation came about as a result of the life of Richard Rose. It was his dream to form an organization grounded in what he found so little of in his years of searching: sincerity and true perspective. TAT was founded on the conviction that our investigation of life's mysteries is expedited by working with others who are exploring, perhaps down a different road, so that we may share our discoveries, exchange ideas, and 'compare notes' in order to come to a better understanding of ourself and others.

https://www.advaita.org.uk This website introduces itself as "All you need to know about advaita: Traditional, Direct Path and Neo-advaita; Explanations, Essays and Discourses; Teachers and Books; Links to the best sites; Egroups and Blogs; Introduction to Sanskrit and ITRANS; Comprehensive Glossary of Spiritual Terminology". As a a lay enquirer I found much here that is helpful in coming to grips with Advaita Vedanta. It offers serious, well balanced and lucid presentations of the various teachings with contemporary articles on all aspects of the tradition, both ancient and modern.

Mystic Missal. The July 2009 issue of the Mystic Missal examines the art of spiritual communication in the form of Dialogue and confrontation. Meeting in small groups, online discussions, and scheduled meetings, this technique can be invaluable for the earnest seeker in search of a better look at himself. The meetings are somewhat paradoxical in that there is no goal other than self-discovery. A topic may be chosen to get things moving, but the purpose is not one of reaching consensus or compromise, but of receiving a glimpse into the unconscious  motivations of one’s own mind. The idea is not to prove a point or to persuade, but to reveal the workings of the ego in the minds of the participants. The renowned physicist David Bohm became interested in how people might work together to move beyond the trap of thought and its potential to fragment and delude. To find a way to probe the fundamental problems of existence, he became involved in conversations with J Krishnamurti in Ojai, California, and developed an idea for meetings he called Dialogue. He refined this technique with colleagues Donald Factor and Peter Garrett as a leaderless, agenda-less large group inquiry into the motivations, assumptions, and beliefs underlying our thought and communication. Together they published Dialogue a Proposal in 1991. This issue of the Myssal links Dialogue to the process of confrontation another method of using a group setting to further one's discovery of one's self, is confrontation, or friendly questioning. This method is practiced in the TAT Foundation's groups and meetings, and was pioneered by founder Richard Rose. These meetings are held in person as well as in regular online groups.

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